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Nychavok
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DifferentDrummer wrote:
not necessarily.

when i used to go to njhc & nyhc shows in the early 90s, it was like 75% dudes. maybe more. i didn't care b/c i wasn't there to "pick up chicks". i was there to hear some crazy music & dance like a maniac.

i went to a cello recital a few weeks ago. amazing performance. and i think it would be silly if i said "man, that show sucked! there weren't any broads younger than 50 there!"


You can't really compare a Cello Recital to a New York Club night.

Anyways, like I said before, I go for the music and the women, the music sucked and the amount of girls we're just a little bit too low, so it made for a subpar night. (Distance is one of the five Dubstep producers that I'm actually a fan of, and I found his set to be pretty damn boring)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dubstep and hipster hate thread together - this is the greatest troll I've ever seen. Kudos sir!

Clit - you could learn alot from this. See how he came in under the radar?

Hipsters don't care what's being played, it's where it's being played AT that's important.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this thread is great Razz

In my best Abby/Naveen Andrews in Planet Terror impersonation, "I go to parties for the tunes first, but the chicks come a close fucking second."

Definitely a bummer when you've got your drink rollin', the beats are getting layed down, but it's a total sausage fest.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

omg I need to find another genre to jump on QUICK
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish drum and bass can make this much noise again! I am waiting patiently for it to be cool again, but I am dedicated. Kind of interesting when people start to flock to a shit genre like dub, says alot about the up and coming youngsters taste in music, it's kind of depressing. You can't blame them though, dub is the soundtrack to the state of the world today.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could write a lot about this topic but i'm too busy listening to dnb.

im 99% percent down with CB's opinions though!

ez


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ps. although sometimes writing dubstep tunes makes for good practice...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itz kewl 2 define yerself by a certain genre of music! this wai everything else sucks!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jubilee wrote:
omg I need to find another genre to jump on QUICK


panticore


I don't know what it sounds like, but it's gonna be fucking awesome. Just look at that name.

panticore

Hell, you can rhyme it with Manticore. And greek mythology shows you're like educated and shit.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentile wrote:
Kind of interesting when people start to flock to a fresh and open genre like dub, says alot about the quality of drum and bass being made today, it's kind of depressing.


Fixed.

Okay, now that I've given this thread the highest award for retardation (4 slices of cake), I'll chime in.

I lived for DnB, you all know that, hell my name when I choose to play DnB is the Junglist@large. I've gripped with the fact that I did define my life with a genre of music that was never really mine to begin with. We've all lived in the shadow of the English cats, always trying to sound like "them". We never set the bar, I don't care who you ask, I don't care if I hurt your feelings, get over it and move on.

DnB's been stale for years. You can't tell me there's anything innovating and interesting about it anymore. You just can't.

The most "popular" sound is fucking circus music. It's become so sub-genre-fied that it killed it self. "I only go to liquid nights", "I can't stand that fuck-me-in-the-ass gabber DnB", "Jump up 4 LYFE". Just stop, It's wack. No one supports the music as a whole anymore.

It hit's it's peak in terms of "popularity" and being "cool" in 1998, ever since then it's been a slow decline. When's the last time you've been to a big club, packed the fuck out, with people absolutely going mad to DnB? How about when "Warhead" came out. At Twilo. That was it. And I'm not talking about Sullivan Room or any place of that size. I mean a real club on a real sound system. And I mean packed, not 20 people on the dancefloor at Studio B.

Andy C can't even fill a space that hold more than 200 people.

You can't tell me that the people who hold on doing parties are a success when the only places left to hear DnB is the Pyramid and Sin Sin, and it can't be in any real clubs because there aren't enough patrons to cover the bar guarantee.

If you've got to lose money throwing a party to keep DnB "alive" or to "stay relevant as a promoter/driving force in the scene", the music has failed you.

If you need to have give away alcohol just to get bodies through the door, the music has failed you.

If people will only come out just to hear a big name and could care less about local DJ's and producers, the music has failed you.

If a monthly is unable to sustain itself on a regular basis on one of the best sound system in the city, the music has failed you.

If all NYC has to show for DnB scene is a Monday @ the Pyramid and a Tuesday @ Sin Sin, the music has failed you.

If the average age at a DnB party is 27, which is an indication of how captivating the music is, the music has failed you.

Wah, fucking, wah. I've gotten over it, you all should too.




That being said...

I've been listening to dubstep music for years, I didn't like it initially but gave it a chance because people like Moldy embraced it. When many of you were still like "this is heroin music", I agreed to an extent but still enjoyed the fact that I never knew what to expect. It wasn't until a two years ago that the production quality really caught me, coupled with the fact that I would go record shopping for DnB and find nothing I liked.

I'm hardly a bandwagoner. To sit there and say that someone like myself or the others involved right now aren't true soldiers because we weren't there to evangelize the music at day one is bullshit. None of you were there at day one of DnB so fuck you very much.

It's nice to play to someone who's never heard a tune before and is going mad, who's also young and vibrant, not old and bitter.

It's nice to play music of a specific BPM because it allows me to play other styles of music. It allows me to be a real DJ, a person who plays for the people, not for myself.

It's nice to know that I'm not living in the shadow of someone else, that the music that me and my friends make are actual contributions to dance culture.



Jeebus, there's so much fresh and new music out there.

Step out of your box.

Go to Trouble & Bass.
Go to Flashing Lights.
Go to Water Taxi Beach.
Go to Dubwar.
Go to the Darkroom WARNING: There's hipsters and chicks there.
Go to Deep Space.
Go to Love on a night other than Dubwar.
Go download Human?'s latest volume of "Fuck your Genre".

It might open you mind. You might have fun. Hell, you might even make new friends.




If Dubstep/mulit-genre dance culture only last a couple years and "dies out", well shit, it'll be the most fun I've had in two years as opposed to the last 9. At least I won't be bitter and broke.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that rant was directed at a few specific individuals, and you make some good points for sure, but just because someone doesn't really dig dubstep doesn't necessarily mean all they listen to is dnb. That kind of stereotype seems to be what you're speaking out against, right?

The last five cds I listened to where the beta band, gabriella cilmi, chickenfoot, buddy guy & junior wells, and jack johnson. I also love jungle but don't really get dubstep. Most peeps here prob have pretty diverse musical tastes to even have given dnb a chance in the first place.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The last five cds I listened to where the beta band, gabriella cilmi, chickenfoot, buddy guy & junior wells, and jack johnson.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mykey, all i can say is cheers
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunny slippers wrote:
I know that rant was directed at a few specific individuals, and you make some good points for sure, but just because someone doesn't really dig dubstep doesn't necessarily mean all they listen to is dnb. That kind of stereotype seems to be what you're speaking out against, right?

The last five cds I listened to where the beta band, gabriella cilmi, chickenfoot, buddy guy & junior wells, and jack johnson. I also love jungle but don't really get dubstep. Most peeps here prob have pretty diverse musical tastes to even have given dnb a chance in the first place.



Seriously...maybe it's just general message board blowhardery, but identifying yourself with one genre reeks of high school cliques to me. It's music, people, everybody's tastes are subjective, and in their world they actually get to be 100% right, shit ain't going to be resolved on teh interwebz. Personally, I think the broader your taste, the better - I'm not much of a dubstep fan and I agree with Mykey that d&b/jungle is about as stale as a year old frito right about now...good thing I never boxed myself in to one camp or the other. I'mma go listen to Rodrigo y Gabriela now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunny slippers wrote:
I know that rant was directed at a few specific individuals, and you make some good points for sure, but just because someone doesn't really dig dubstep doesn't necessarily mean all they listen to is dnb. That kind of stereotype seems to be what you're speaking out against, right?


Passive-aggressive insults based on a lack of intellectual curiosity solidifies the stereotype, unfortunately. Not liking something is one thing, but dissing those involved highlights underlying issues with either those involved or an overall feeling of despair.
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