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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:50 am    Post subject: The End. Reply with quote

The End.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what my alter-ego wrote...

What are you talking about VIC? I see Mac out all the time, everywhere I go, promoting his heart out!! If it wasn't for Mac, all his hard work and knowledge of good dj's (not too mention an excellent sound guy!) Konkrete Jungle would not be alive today. I also see KJ fliers everywhere I go, I mean everywhere! Raves, clubs, lounges, stores, etc... Why else would it be the worlds LONGEST running and most CONSISTENT Jungle Party? Since the inception of KJ over ten years ago he's worked harder and harder each year. The man is a GENIUS, no wonder he's a school teacher!

rotfl

Enough of my sarcasm...


You know what the real problem is?

Mac thinks his last name is Daddy, and we should all be the ones to sacrifice our years of hard work and talent to feed his wife and kids.

The problem isn't low pay, the problem is NO pay, NOT keeping your word and above all NO respect (NOT even a Thank You)!


Sincerely,

CHRISTIAN BRUNA

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd really love to hear exactly what happened. I happen to love KJ even though I haven't been able to go for quite some time, so I'd be interested in hearing the story as opposed to just the anger behind it, if someone wouldn't mind telling it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

victor and christian, while i appreciate everytime you play kj and the hard work you do, let me remind you that i did not ask victor to play or arrange last night. he approached kj with his ideas. what i promised was that i would guarantee ewun's flight and a certain fee for HIM. i kept that promise. anything beyond that was contingent on what money was left at the door. while i don't want to talk exact dollars in public, i took the entire risk of having to pay ewun and the pyramid's fee. kj pays the club and gets no cut of the bar. i showed victor the numbers and was open to ideas he had on the situation. he chose to scream and curse. christian, i would have appreciated you speaking to me in private, but if you feel this is the proper forum, fine.when have i promised you anything that i did not do? as i said in the beginning i respect you as i dj and promoter, but when have i asked you to play kj, promised you a certain amount and the reneged? if you don't want to play kj then don't ask me(as you have in the past). trust me, i won't ask you. i hope the scene, struggling as it is, does not suffer from our frustrations.good luck to you both..........mac
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't y'all expect to not get paid??
i've always understood that when locals play KJ, they probably won't get paid. if you do, you'll get $25 and that should be fine.
I think that it is more scene-spirited to be at peace that it is the way it is. Mac isn't going to change, he does have a family to support and he is trying to maintain KJ and the legacy is represents by not going broke by the party.
i say, get over it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everything Jenny said.

It's pretty much a known thing in the scene in this city that when you play KJ, you're playing for the love and the respect for it's legacy. I know for certain that Mac doesn't make enough money at KJ to be plugging away at it for so long for the loot. I think he actually gives a shit. He's actually the only drum and bass promoter that has managed to almost completely stay out of the petty crap that happens.

He has his one focus, and he's been able to maintain it for over ten years. You can't barrel into an established event and expect to change something that's been functioning the same way for over a decade.

I have a lot of love in my heart for KJ, Mac, Mykey and everyone who's been involved in working REALLY HARD to keep that party going through some really difficult times. I'm not sure what the problem is if Mac kept up his end of the bargain.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
victor and christian, while i appreciate everytime you play kj and the hard work you do, let me remind you that i did not ask victor to play or arrange last night. he approached kj with his ideas. what i promised was that i would guarantee ewun's flight and a certain fee for HIM. i kept that promise. anything beyond that was contingent on what money was left at the door. while i don't want to talk exact dollars in public, i took the entire risk of having to pay ewun and the pyramid's fee. kj pays the club and gets no cut of the bar. i showed victor the numbers and was open to ideas he had on the situation. he chose to scream and curse. christian, i would have appreciated you speaking to me in private, but if you feel this is the proper forum, fine.when have i promised you anything that i did not do? as i said in the beginning i respect you as i dj and promoter, but when have i asked you to play kj, promised you a certain amount and the reneged? if you don't want to play kj then don't ask me(as you have in the past). trust me, i won't ask you. i hope the scene, struggling as it is, does not suffer from our frustrations.good luck to you both..........mac


I've NEVER asked to play KJ Mac, you must have me confused with someone else, lol.

That's part of the reason why beau and I started our own night CAMOUFLAGE, way back in '97! I DON'T NEED to play for KJ, or ever had to...and everybody knows that. Nice try though.

Even if I may have shown interest in playing your night, what gives you the right to think I'd play for FREE, is your party FREE?. This isn't about getting paid hundreds or even a certain amount. It's about respect, isn't it 101? So, all that we expect is a little gratitude, just a simple cab fair and a thank you would be nice.

I've earned the very little I have by working hard and have always respected KJ, agreeing to play whenever I WAS INVITED.

From now on I will speak to you face to face if that's what you prefer, I have no problem with that as I've done so with many people.

Times are changing Mac, and I honestly from the bottom of my heart hope you do to.

All the best.

CB

PS: As far as the scene struggling, speak for YOURSELF. How would you know if you NEVER go out to SEE for YOURSELF how the scene is doing. Nonetheless, I can tell you don't frequent this board too often as I see this is your first post.

Heads gotta stop living in the past, at this point nobody owes anybody anything, but a little RESPECT goes a long way!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait....there's a scene?????
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This Night Has Opened My Eyes
(words: Morrissey music: Johnny Marr)

In a river the colour of lead
immerse the baby's head
Wrap her up in the "News Of The World"
Dump her on a doorstep, girl
This night has opened my eyes
and I will never sleep again

You kicked and cried like a bullied child
A grown man of twenty-five
Oh, he said he'd cure your ills
but he didn't and he never will!
Oh, save your life
because you've only got one

The dream has gone but the baby is real
Oh, you did a good thing
She could have been a poet or she could have been a fool
Oh, you did a bad thing
And I'm not happy and I'm not sad

A shoeless child on a swing
reminds you of your own again
She took away your troubles
Oh, but then again
she left pain
So, please save your life
because you've only got one

The dream has gone but the baby is real
Oh, you did a good thing
She could have been a poet or she could have been a fool
Oh, you did a bad thing
And I'm not happy and I'm not sad


word.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drama should nto be aired out like this.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
let me remind you that i did not ask victor to play or arrange last night. he approached kj with his ideas. what i promised was that i would guarantee ewun's flight and a certain fee for HIM. i kept that promise. anything beyond that was contingent on what money was left at the door. while i don't want to talk exact dollars in public, i took the entire risk of having to pay ewun and the pyramid's fee. kj pays the club and gets no cut of the bar. i showed victor the numbers and was open to ideas he had on the situation. he chose to scream and curse.


That is right Mac I did approach you with ideas of of starting a monthly at Konkrete Jungle due to the fact that I hated to see how bad the night was doing.
As far as you taking a chance Mac....please....the only reason you took a chance on the night was because you saw what it had produced last month with R.A.W.
What you need to explain to me is this ridiculous deal that you supposely have with Pyramid.
I don't think that anyone would be that dumb to pay x amount of dollars to a venue and not promote at all.
What do you do when you have 5 to 10 people there Mac?
Throughout these years what chances have you taken exactly?
Through the blood, sweat and hard work of many DJ's and promoters I know is what keeps Konkrete Jungle going.
You really need to take some time out and reflect and understand that Konkrete Jungle would not be existant if it wasn't for all these people.
Another thing Mac plain and simple if it wasn't for Mykey and Alias who maintain the sound and get the word out you'd be in deeper shit.
Let's not live in the past.
Another thing Mac, Do you want me to tell everyone about the days of Giant Step when I used to promote for you in all types of weather and never saw a dime from you.
That there should have been enough for me... but stupid me for taking a chance on you...huh Mac?
You really have big balls for trying to make yourself look like you're the victim on this thread.
Like I said karma is bitch and it will get back to you.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread should have ended as soon as it began.

I think everyone should have kept this private and tried to be civil.

Now, I'm an outsider...so *please* keep in mind, that this is what the
thread seems like to the casual observer.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

petty tools........grow up now...ya?????
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc valiant wrote:
This thread should have ended as soon as it began.

I think everyone should have kept this private and tried to be civil.

Now, I'm an outsider...so *please* keep in mind, that this is what the
thread seems like to the casual observer.


I chose to put this up so that people can see the truth that has been kept unspoken of for much too long.
Like I said, the only way to make change is to take a stand.
The truth must be told.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this whole thing is the tackiest thing i've seen on this board in a long time. and with each back and forth or attempted justification, it only gets worse. If the end result desired here is respect, i gotta tell ya, you're headed in the opposite direction by handling your hurt feelings like a 15 year old highschool girl. Trash talking on an internet forum is the least respectful action you could have taken. all in all, it's very very sad.
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