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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Morals without God Reply with quote

Interesting.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/morals-without-god/?ref=opinion
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't atheists see the difference between "God" and "Religion"?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Citizen Kang wrote:
Why can't atheists see the difference between "God" and "Religion"?


Some of em' practice one HELL of a proselytizing/conversion policy also that makes Christians look like rank amateurs sometimes by comparison and is just as annoying.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Citizen Kang wrote:
Why can't atheists see the difference between "God" and "Religion"?


Most can, and most believe in neither. A frequent charge of religious people against atheists is "without God, there is no moral base", which is what this article discusses.

You believe in God, but not through a religion? Fine - that belief however isn't mine or that of many others.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good read
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prozacrefugee wrote:
Citizen Kang wrote:
Why can't atheists see the difference between "God" and "Religion"?


Most can, and most believe in neither. A frequent charge of religious people against atheists is "without God, there is no moral base", which is what this article discusses.

You believe in God, but not through a religion? Fine - that belief however isn't mine or that of many others.


How do you define "God"?

Because I know I wouldn't believe in the Atheist's definition of "God" either.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Citizen Kang wrote:
prozacrefugee wrote:
Citizen Kang wrote:
Why can't atheists see the difference between "God" and "Religion"?


Most can, and most believe in neither. A frequent charge of religious people against atheists is "without God, there is no moral base", which is what this article discusses.

You believe in God, but not through a religion? Fine - that belief however isn't mine or that of many others.


How do you define "God"?


I personally don't believe in an intelligence outside the universe that created it and monitors it, demanding behavior in any way above physical laws. The universe as a whole may become self-aware at some point, I don't know that for sure. My answer usually depends on what kind of day I've had.

The article isn't about the hairs between 'spirituality' and 'religion', it's rather about the fact that humans may be hard-wired for behavior often thought to require an external morality (usually, religion) to exist.

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Because I know I wouldn't believe in the Atheist's definition of "God" either.


I don't think there's a general consensus on what that is, however strictly speaking atheism is a disbelief in any and all deities. Personally to me the question of Epicurus is enough to not see any possible way for an omnipotent sane god, but to each his own.

Again, the article strictly deals with the idea that morality cannot exist without belief, a claim frequently made in this country. Whatever flavor anyone's personal spiritual beliefs are, I don't really care until they start seeking to apply them to everyone with force of law.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It was when the Great Way declined that human kindness and morality arose" - Lao Tzu
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